In recent years, he has focused on the relationship between humans, nature and materials. He is currently researching the Munzur River in Kurdistan and felt, the first industrial fabric. He discovered that women used river water for yoghurt and bread yeast.

Inspired by this tradition, he investigates the relationship between the human body and the billions of bacteria that surround us. With the performance Gist (yeast) he lets the audience watch this process, in the form of a unique, sensory experience.